35: Your Mental Health Matters with Jason Medows

Kimberly Beer  0:00  

Hey there business animals. It’s Kim here today Cara and I are talking all things mental health with Jason Medows of Ag State of Mind podcast. Now this is a topic that’s near and dear to both Cara and I’s hearts, we really want to remove the stigma around getting help and accessing mental health resources within your community. For a lot of our listeners, as well as myself included living in a rural area, sometimes that’s a little more difficult than it looks like on the surface. As you’re listening today’s podcast and our interview with Jason, I would really like for you to listen to the information that that Jason provides about how to access mental health resources, even if you’re in a rural community. Also the lessons that animals bring to our lives that help us stay healthier, emotionally, and mentally. And then Jason also has some other little tidbits that he’s going to share. One of my favorites is how he lives his life by the numbers and I’ll let him share that with you in the podcast. So without further ado, here is Jason Medows.

 

Jaz  1:03  

Welcome to The Business Animal podcast. settle up for a gallop to the top of the animal industry, where you’ll learn how to tame your wild business beast with tips, techniques, and tools that will take overwhelm to obedience school, and have you wagging your tail with joy. And now your hosts Kim Beer and Cara Taylor Swift

 

Kimberly Beer  1:26  

Hey, business animals, it’s Kim with Be More Business

 

Cara Taylor Swift  1:29  

and Cara with Fast Horse Photography. And we’re so excited. We have a guest guys today and he’s from Missouri, which is where Kim is living right now where I’m from. And it’s crazy because he’s one of the first people that I’ve met in a long time that actually knows where Billings, Missouri is. It’s crazy. So, y’all Let’s welcome Jason Medows to the show. Jason, you want to say hi to everybody real quick before I officially introduce you 

 

Jason Medows  1:51  

sure. Hey, everybody. Glad to be here. We’re so happy to have you. So you guys you’re in for a treat. today. We’re really excited about this episode, Jason Medows was born and raised on his family’s cow calf operation outside of Cuba, Missouri. He grew up playing football in baseball, as well as involved in his local 4-H in 2002. Jason left the farm for St. Louis College of Pharmacy. He graduated in 2008 with his doctorate in pharmacy and returned home to work in a local hospital and continue to grow his cow calf operation that he started in college. It was at that local hospital that he met his future wife Carrie, fast forward 12 years and they have four boys and have purchased another farm on their own. In 2019. Jason began his own podcast Ag State of Mind, which is how we first learned about Jason, where he combined his medical background with his passion for agricultural to help break the stigma surrounding mental health and agricultural. So we’re so excited to have you here on the show.

 

Kimberly Beer  2:43  

Welcome, Jason.

 

Jason Medows  2:44  

Well, I am excited to be here. I appreciate the opportunity.

 

Kimberly Beer  2:47  

Nice. So tell us a little bit about you were one of those kids that got out of the country went to the city and got a degree that you could take anywhere. What made you come back to small town Cuba, Missouri, I guess it’s not a really small town, but probably a small town by comparison for a lot of people that listen to our show. 

 

So it’s got to be bigger than Billings where I grew up. It has to be 

 

Jason Medows  3:11  

Yeah, it’s

 

not much bigger. It’s I think it’s about 3500 people. So it’s not very big. 

 

Kimberly Beer  3:16  

So like three times bigger. That’s pretty big. 

 

Jason Medows  3:18  

Well, Cuba is much closer to the St. Louis, I promise you.

 

Kimberly Beer  3:22  

Yeah, probably in a personality.

 

They’re all bigger than Ballard, which is like where I live, which is like eight people.

 

Jason Medows  3:33  

But as far as me coming back, I never really saw another option. So I had plans of actually owning a pharmacy of my own. My brother in law owned the pharmacy in Cuba, and that’s where I worked in high school. That’s kind of where I caught the bug to go to pharmacy school. So that was just always kind of like the inferred plans. Well, some things changed. I was offered a job at the local hospital when I was in college, when I was there on my rotations and you know, things were changing in my life. And that’s kind of just how that happened. I just decided to make a change on a whim and gosh, it worked out as well as it could have for me, I that’s where I met my wife shortly after I began working there. And you know, like you said, fast forward 12 years and we’ve built this huge life together. 

 

Kimberly Beer  4:21  

That is awesome. And then So tell me a little bit about your cow calf operation. You raise beef cattles, obviously I love on your website that you have eat beef, and I’m a big proponent for that. owning my own own cattle ranch. I used to operate a cow calf herd of about 75 mama cows. So I love what you’re doing with that. So tell me a little bit about that. What kind of cattle do you raise and what is your main goal with that 

 

Jason Medows  4:49  

It’s a commercial operation. So all crossbred cattle, we pretty much it’s Black Angus genetics that are cycled through but we have some other breeds that have just come Through along the way, just whatever will work to have a calf with the least amount of input available, that’s the kind of cow that we want. And one that’s pretty gentle too, because like I said, it’s just me and my family here, I don’t have any hired help, everything needs to be pretty gentle for us to be able to have that maintained as a family. But as far as our goals, I believe that the future of the cattle industry is going to be focused around operations which are practicing better soil health regenerative type practices, and that’s where we’re going, we’re going to really focusing on the land and the soil and kind of seeing the cow as a way to convert that grass into healthy beef, right and so trying to do that in the most economical and sustainable way possible. And we’re always innovating we’re always trying new things out some things that fail miserably, some things that work, okay, and we stick with so but always constantly wanting to innovate in wanting to do things as best as we can,

 

Kimberly Beer  6:05  

constant and never ending improvement. That’s a motto of one of my mentors and also a motto of mine so I’m always looking for ways to do things better. You know, one of the things and I don’t want to dive too far down this rabbit hole because it could be an entire episode on its own. But I know that one of your big advocacies is mental health for folks in agriculture. And part of the reason that people in agriculture a lot of times are high for suicide and also have a lot of depression and a lot of anxiety and stress in their lives has to do with the public opinion of what a farmer and how they treat their their animals and the environment and all of those things and I know for me personally it’s a big advocacy for me to explain to people like we do no till drill here on our ranch we the farmer that actually does the farming. His name’s Scott shout out to Scott He’s amazing. He really worries about the soil health he looks at things long term, he looks at the environmental impact of what he’s doing. He tries to do the absolute best with his cattle and with his crops to make sure that all of those checkboxes are checked and then to have people approach on a front end and just accuse him of not being a good person or not being environmentally sound kind of lumping him in with things that aren’t really true in agriculture. How do you how do you feel about that? Do you have any comments around that particular topic?

 

Jason Medows  7:36  

Yeah, I mean it is it’s incredibly frustrating to have people make wild accusations around you that are based in total make believe just believing a false narrative and yeah, that’s super frustrating. So I think the key to the key to this I don’t want to say battle because I don’t want it to be pitted that way but the key to like this conversation is trying to actually find people who are genuinely curious and that’s that’s easier said than done because there are going to be people online mostly online because most of the people wouldn’t dare attack you in public. But there’s going to be people who are just coming because they want to start a fight and they have an agenda. But it’s you got to be really careful and try to seek out the people who are really wanting to have a conversation right who are really wanting to talk about how you raise your animals and the practice of jet that you do and understand that you’re a real person and there are real people being affected by these things that not just some faceless Corporation like people make it seem like farming has become rich no matter what the type of farm it is even big corporate farms are run by families most of the time you know so i mean it’s really important to help people understand that and try to meet them in the middle and be able to find the people seek out the people who are genuinely curious absolutely

 

Cara Taylor Swift  8:59  

yeah, I was just gonna say Jason we mentioned briefly about your your podcast Ag State of Mind so for folks that are that are just tuning in if you haven’t listened to Ag State of Mind yet we highly recommend you hop over and jump on a couple episodes because I’ve enjoyed what I’ve listened to you so far. Why is this important to you? Why do you feel like you need to bring a voice to people living with mental health issues in the ag world? Can you talk a little bit about like where you went with your podcast and why you’re over 100 episodes in now?

 

Jason Medows  9:26  

Yeah, I just released Episode 100 gratulations Yeah, I

 

Kimberly Beer  9:30  

know

 

Cara Taylor Swift  9:31  

the work that goes into that. So

 

Kimberly Beer  9:33  

we know the work that goes in to that at Episode 33. We We are very well. 100 is a is a milestone.

 

Jason Medows  9:44  

Yeah, yeah, we’re very happy with that. But as far as the why we kind of have well established my two sides of it. In the fact that I’m very unique in that I understand medical the medical world and being a medical professional, being a pharmacist. Obviously my long standing kind of stake in the game of agriculture being growing up here with my family, but I’ve also struggled mightily with anxiety. Starting in college, whenever I left home to go to the city, I was not prepared for that. And it caused me a lot of issues that I still, you know, there’s times I still don’t think it’s something you ever really cured of. But it’s things I still battle to this day. And at one point, I understood that there has to be other people who are like me, right? who are struggling, who have these issues, who want to talk about them, but don’t really have an outlet for it and talk about and you know, I was searching I just I was listening to an old podcast that I was on, two years ago before when the podcast right before it started. And I was, you know, you lose these things after a while. And I’m glad I revisited this because I was really looking for a podcast that talked about mental health and agriculture. That was like I went out looking for that, seeking that and I was really frustrated that there wasn’t one that existed, then I was like, Well, if there’s not one that exists, why don’t you just try and start one yourself? Which I had no, no idea what that entailed none, I had no idea. I’m still just barely aware of what it takes 100 episodes in. But I just felt that calling, it’s more of a calling than anything else. And I feel like I was in a very unique position to provide information to people coming at it from a number of different perspectives.

 

Kimberly Beer  11:34  

I think that’s incredible. We you know, all the time on the podcast talk about how as animal based business owners, a lot of times it feels like we’re all alone in this, you know, and so one of the things we tried to do with our podcast is bring some community around the world of owning an animal based business whether you’re in the equine industry, the cattle industry, the pet industry, we’re all in this together to some extent. So you know, I talk about that the loneliness of that and I also have a lot of anxiety I we laugh about it all the time, you know, if there isn’t something to worry about, I will find the next thing to worry about, like faster than anything and saying yeah, so I really appreciate that. And I think that our listeners as well just appreciate someone bringing a voice to it and and just acknowledging the fact that you know, just because you’re you’re working this business, and maybe you have a successful cattle business or you know, like you you’re a pharmacist as well and you’re very, you know, I’m assuming you’re successful in that but that you can still struggle with mental health and you can still, you know, walk that walk and that there should be resources out there that are really geared towards that community. So thank you for doing that.

 

Jason Medows  12:35  

It’s a passion project for me for sure.

 

Kimberly Beer  12:38  

It’s so true, though, because I I’m very candid about the fact that I’ve struggled with depression for the majority of my life. And for a long period of time, I just came to the acceptance that that was the way my life was gonna be. And I had a bad experience with the mental health industry. And then that kind of turned me off from going back and getting more help. And it ended up being where thankfully, I found a really good path to be able to get back to a very mentally healthy state and a happiness that I didn’t never think I would achieve. And that’s the thing I think you’re you’re really helping particularly farmers and ranchers and even our animal based business folks, there’s a lot of people in this industry that really do fear that stigma of saying, Hey, I was depressed and it steals so much from you. And there’s no reason to because there’s so many resources out there that you can take advantage of. I know on your website, I’d like for you to talk a little bit, Jason about some of the resources that you advocate for and some advice you might give people that are a little worried about dipping their toe into getting some help. 

 

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Jason Medows  14:54  

So I have like you said on my website, I have an entire section that is ever growing. You know, anytime somebody tells me about one side, I go ahead I add it in, there’s probably 20 25 listed websites on there of different places. But a few of the ones that I’ll talk about the first one, I always because they’ve given me so much inspiration is the Do More Agriculture Foundation based out of Canada, Leslie Kelly, who’s one of the founders of that was on my podcast very early, and it’s become a really good friend of mine. She’s done some incredible work surrounding mental health and agriculture. Adele Stewart, who is now the executive director, she’s been on my podcast as well. I know her and I are going to speak again soon, someday, she’s on my returning guest list, they do some just fabulous work north of the border, and really good place for us down here to start and knowing that we don’t have to reinvent the wheel with a lot of things. Because the lessons that are learned just they don’t necessarily don’t really have any borders. But as far as a place to actually get real professional help, my favorite place to go is called better help. Now I’m not affiliated with them at all other than I use it, I have used a counselor in the last year, an online counselor, and it’s been so helpful. So I think one of the biggest things, especially with people who live really and work a busy lifestyle with, like you said, an animal based business

 

Kimberly Beer  16:22  

and potentially in small communities where the resources are pretty limited. 

 

Jason Medows  16:26  

Exactly, yeah, 

 

Cara Taylor Swift  16:27  

you don’t have necessarily a facility down the road that you can go and talk to somebody at face to face.

 

Jason Medows  16:33  

Yeah. And like to have like these online places is so helpful, because all that is taken away. And then you’d have to worry about somebody seeing your truck outside the counselor’s office or something like that, you know, which are, you know, it sounds ridiculous, but it’s actual real problems. And so I always give Better Help a shout out because they’ve been so helpful to me. Yeah,

 

Kimberly Beer  16:54  

and better help. Just to clarify, it’s mostly via the phone, right?

 

Jason Medows  17:02  

It’s actually a counseling, they actually have certified licensed counselors where you set up therapy sessions

 

Kimberly Beer  17:07  

online, like face to face, 

 

Jason Medows  17:09  

or you can

 

even do like a chat, like where you don’t even have to do face to face which I find very helpful, you know, but that’s just me personally. 

 

Kimberly Beer  17:16  

So you can do zoom sessions and stuff like that. Yep. Awesome. Okay, I just wanted to make sure I was understanding and that our listeners were understanding that you don’t have to go it’s not a brick and mortar, you know, like, you can do a zoom chat, you can chat with people, you can kind of have the level of entry that feels right for you at that time.

 

And it’s all very private, I’m sure that no one needs to know even if you want to keep it private from your own family, you could go in the truck somewhere and have someone to talk to I think that’s just so important. You know, suicide in agriculture has touched our particular area multiple times. And it’s just it’s tragic. I remember as a teenager, one of our neighbors committed suicide was a farmer committed suicide and and I’ve lived and grown up with his kids, and the amount of tragedy in that family that resulted from that event, it’s ongoing, even 40 plus years later, it still is touching their lives. And yeah, the impact is so critical to help people and to be able to do it in a way that feels good and comfortable for them. So that’s awesome. we’ll refer both to your website and to better help in the show notes so people can find those resources easily. Let’s shift a little bit and talk about so obviously, our listeners are deeply involved with animals, and you have your cow calf operation. I also know you have horses and you happen to really like horses. And I’ve heard you mentioned a couple of times that horses are kind of your first love and and very much a part of your life. So talk to us a little bit about how animals help you in your life and how being in partnership with them works for you.

 

Jason Medows  19:00  

I think what animals are, they’re almost like incredible mirrors, right? They’re a reflection, they’ll reflect back to you what you’re putting to them. If you’re putting stress and anxiety and all these terrible feelings out to them, they’re going to push it right back to you know, horse is not going to be responsive, they’re going to kick and wish their tail a cows gonna, you know, get high headed and run all around and be really snakey. But if let’s reverse that ever turn it around. If we’re really calm, if we ask them for things, if we try to guide them one time, somebody called it more a shepherding type technique and working with them instead of trying to work against them. That’s so much calmer, so much easier on both human and animal. And for me, it helps me to see well if they were respond to me this way, and it’s not what I want, then maybe I ought to change some things and it’s like Cuz like, I’ve never really thought of it that way till I just said it out loud that they’re really good, really good mirrors, they’re really good reflection of how you’re feeling.

 

Kimberly Beer  20:09  

They’re also really good teachers. I know with horses in particular, if you walk into the pasture with an agenda, your agenda is out the window. Yep. So one of the things I’m deeply involved in is the equine Gestalt coaching. I know I’ve talked to you about that before the people that are listening to this know about that, because we’ve discussed it frequently. If you haven’t, just go back and listen to Melissa Pierce’s episode. And you’ll have all the information on on that program, you know, horses, they really do alter the way that we show up in the present moment, because it’s really hard to be out of the moment, when you’re standing next to a 1200 pound animal with that big heart and that big electromagnetic field and all of that energy, it’s hard to just float away. And I think that that groundedness is something that animals definitely give us along with the mirroring our energy. That’s very insightful, Jason and very important. And I think that everybody who listens to this podcast probably realizes that animals oftentimes give back a lot more to us than we even think about.

 

Cara Taylor Swift  21:15  

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Kimberly Beer  22:01  

So anything else you want to talk about with your cow calf operation? So you raise commercial crossbred cattle? Do you offer any kind of direct meat sales? Or do you have any recommendations around that?

 

Jason Medows  22:17  

Yeah, so I actually do and mines very small and it’s very, it’s, it’s almost a byproduct, because I take animals a lot, what a lot of times what happens is, you know, I keep all of my heifers right, and give everything a chance to breed, what doesn’t breed, those are what goes into our direct to consumer beef business. So they’re getting some weight on them, they’re not not getting a ton of input on them. So they’re still a profitable animal to us. But at the end there, when we understand that they’re not going to be a part of our cycle, they’re not going to be a part of our system, then that’s when they go out to the to a consumer and it’s really been just word of mouth, just friends, local community, what I’ll do is the last two months, I’ll finish them on their on their pasture their entire life, but the last two months, they get some grain to get a little marbling, add a little extra weight before they go to harvest. And, you know, it’s a really great way to manage our cash flow, because what we do is it gives us a few extra times a year we’re getting paid, because to have a really efficient cattle herd, you want to have a short calving window. But what that short calving window does is you’re selling everything at the same time, which is okay, because if you get more per animal, but the cash flow throughout the year is a little bit tougher. So what this does is breaks up our cash flow a little bit by still adding value to animals that were not worth as much at a certain point, they’re still going to be quality beef, especially them being a home grown, locally sourced animal. People just love that stuff. Just knowing where it came from just period is, is very enticing to the consumer, you know, so it’s a win win for both the consumer and for us, because it provides us that extra cash flow at off times of year.

 

Kimberly Beer  24:14  

That’s always a good thing in any kind of an animal based business. we all struggle with cash flow. As a matter of fact, I ended up in bankruptcy court one time because of that horrible word cash flow. I have learned my lesson quite extensively around that one of the things that you said there, the fact that people can find locally sourced food, if any listeners are interested in in learning more about that I encourage you to reach out to myself I’m sure Jason would feel questions for that as well. But you can buy your own food from a farmer if you didn’t know that there are plenty of us around who do custom raised beef who have ethically raised healthy animals that if you want to come see the operation before you purchase your meat, you’re able to do that and really feel like you are not just feel know the business you’re supporting know the people you’re supporting know the family that you’re supporting. I would love to see more of that in the world I would definitely love to see more of that in the world I’m sure you would do Jason to see more people buying direct from producers because to be honest in the cattle business, the hacking plants are the the true multimillionaires in this business for those of us on the the beginning end of things, and on the grocery store end of things, there’s not a lot of profit, and it’s oftentimes especially on our end and cow calf producing, it’s a labor of love. And it’s hard. I sometimes say we live in the blood and guts of life here on this ranch because it’s it’s a lot of work, a lot of effort, a lot of beautiful moments and a lot of really sad ugly ones, too. So there’s a there’s a roller coaster that goes with it.

 

Jason Medows  25:53  

Yeah, for sure. It’s like you say it has to be a labor of love.

 

Kimberly Beer  25:56  

It does, it does. So on our final topic that we want to talk with you about one of the things in our pre interview with you that both Cara and I were were very intrigued by is you have a philosophy around because you got multiple businesses, right, you’ve got the pharmacy, you have the cow calf operation, you’ve got your podcast, and then you have a beautiful family that is I’m sure what needs your attention and wants your attention quite frequently. And balancing all of that can be a true test of your mental health and stability. So you gave us a really cool formula about living life by the numbers. tell our listeners about that.

 

Jason Medows  26:36  

Sure. And I would be remiss if I didn’t mention our fourth business, we have my wife as a yoga studio in our small town.

 

Cara Taylor Swift  26:44  

I just heard you talking about that on one of your more recent episodes. And I was like Wow, you guys stay busy?

 

Jason Medows  26:51  

Yeah. Yeah, you know, but we love we love what we do. So it’s okay to stay busy. But But back to what you’re talking about I do I have two rules that I like I tried to, to live by in there, my rule of five and my rule of tos my rule of five is based around taking that break taking, you know, because I feel like we get so tied up in doing the things and we’re so scared of taking some time off because we feel like we’re gonna lose productivity, right? But I promise you if you take a break, and those breaks can last anywhere from five minutes to five hours, even up to five days. But if you take those breaks like that, what you lose in productivity in that short amount of time that you’re taking your break, you’re going to more than make up on the backside of it, you know, you’re going to be more productive and you’re going to be happier and you’re going to be a lot easier to be around people are going to enjoy you. And that means a lot and some of the things that were even intangibles, right, you can’t really measure them as far as like happiness and whatnot. And so you have to take it you have to take the whole picture, you have to have a really holistic view of things. And that brings me to kind of my next point in that I have my rule of tos and that’s around revolves around my marriage around my relationship with Carrie and our rule of tos is at least once every two weeks we go on a date night dinner somewhere close to home. You know we live about 15 miles from closest town so on either side of us so we usually just pick one alternate each week. Then twice a year we go on a weekend trip somewhere you know usually like St Louis it’s close to us or it usually ends up being St Louis but somewhere semi close you know a couple hours drive from home. And then once every two years and actually we try to do this more often we try to do it once a year. We take a week vacation together and we found that that has made us better individuals it’s made us stronger as a as a married couple made us better husbands and wives and it’s made us better parents as well our kids, we realize that our kids want the kind of parents that that do go on vacation and take care and take a break from them and show up better for them once we do get back to them. 

 

Kimberly Beer  29:07  

What a great example for them to like to see you guys taking that time and you know being together.

 

Jason Medows  29:13  

So many people think it’s all about the work. It’s all about this but we don’t take that time and I think it’s really important for us to know how to take that time away then we realize what we have when we come back because I promise you I love vacation. But my favorite day is when I come back because I am like so like fulfilled because we have such a great we had such a great and you guys both of you having connections to Missouri. Carrie and I left. We went two weeks out west, Wyoming, Colorado, Montana did the whole thing this early this year. And I tell you it was beautiful right but the prettiest part of the drive was when we turned South off of I 70 coming back home to the Ozarks that was the prettiest part of you know this 3000 mile trip and it was right at home. Right so it just I always find that that’s a big part of leaving is appreciating what you have when you come back

 

Kimberly Beer  30:07  

I love that so much I’m going to have to institute that I think that Rule of Two in my house because it’s not my husband it’s me I’m the one that has a lot of like work guilt. And you know, Kim and I just did an episode on you know, your why and my big why with having an animal based business, which is my ego and photography businesses so that I can be more present with my family. Because I am an absolute, like, workaholic mindset, you know, so for me to be able to actually take that time and be present with my husband and come back and be a better parent is huge. Jason, I just want to say one more time. Thank you again so much for coming on the show and chatting with us tonight. This is such an important topic and hopefully Kim and I can you know have more episodes like this, but we love the work that you’re doing with your podcast Ag State of Mind, can you please tell our audience where they can find you online

 

Jason Medows  30:59  

so you can find me all across social media, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, at Ag State of Mind, I have my website ag state of mind calm we mentioned earlier with my mental health resources page, lots of other stuff there. But my podcast, you can find it. I’m a member of the global ag network. So you can find it on the Global Ag Network. But it’s also all across where you get your podcasts, apple, Spotify, Stitcher, Google podcasts, all the places. So just search out ag state of mind, and you’ll find it.

 

Kimberly Beer  31:30  

Thank you so much, Jason. And I definitely recommend folks if you are looking for another podcast, even if you’re not looking like you need to add another podcast to your collection anyway. So go on, check it out, hit follow so that you get Jason’s episodes as well. So thank you so much, Jason, for joining us today.

 

Jason Medows  31:45  

Thank you ladies, I appreciate it.

 

Jaz  31:47  

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